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Dream: Discipline
June 19, 2004

The Dream: my dream starts with,i am sat listening to a deciple of jesus,who says that jesus was about to tell them the greatest truth, when he was taken away ,the deciple then cried i felt because the process was not completed,it never reached its proper conclusion.then i am sat by a river,when all of a sudden i realize that its all true and i am filled with excitement and energy,a revelation.i then,walk towards what i can only describe as a river so clear and pure and spiritual,and when i reach the bend of it,i look at it and say this is where i will baptise,phew!
>when i thought about the first part of this dream, it made me look up the story of the deciples and what happened to them when jesus was crucified,they lost heart,they dispaired,but i asked myself what was it that turned them all around and gave them back their faith and hope so to speak.i think i can see the paralells in my story,even though i must stress i am not religious at all,spiritual maybe,but not religious.i have been inspired by my dreams and i have tried to understand them,i saw things,amazing things ,great possibilities.then for some reason everything stopped,i had a year of nothing,i dont recall remembering one dream in that time ,the thing that had inspired me disapeared ,i lost heart,to the point of thinking that looking at dreams and trying to understand and relate them to life was a waste of time,even counterfeit, almost took up book burning.that is where i feel i am at the moment,the next part of the dream seemed to offer some sort of hope via the revelation i received,just exactly what it is that is all true,remains unknown to me consciously.
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The Interpretation:
Steve,
Listening to a desciple of Jesus is metaphor for listening to your own disciplined self. Dreams talk in the language of metaphor and symbols.
To understand the language one must have a knowledge of mythology. All religions are myths, thus Jesus would be symbolic of that pure spiritual Self that you seek, that which is within. But full realization is a life long journey with always new obstacles to overcome. Joseph Campbell taught that life is a series of trials and realizations and that those who follow the hero/heroine path of being true to themselves ultimately find the true Self. That self is based on spirituality and creativity.
In mythology there are always demons or barriers to overcome. Most of these barriers are self created and this first must be overcome with self discipline. The ultimate realization of the true Self is a psychological thing, what Campbell thought of as Nirvana; a psychological indifference to fear, desire and social duty. The greatest barrier we face is social duty and since most are unable to overcome this dragon, what chance does one have to confront fear and desire? The Arthurian myths provide ample stories of the individual balzing a new path {the knight enters the deep forest at a point no one has ever taken before-that is the individual path we all must take}, and the dragons they encounter. Most of these dragons are purely psychological, many from childhood, that pervent us from full realization of our greatest potential. Other dragons are society's demands.
As to your dream and the ups and downs, this is your waking life on display. Dreams do not provide concrete answers to a problem, they offer possible remedies. Often they test your discipline, but that test is also part of your waking life. Discipline is required to overcome the barriers and slay the dragons. The ultimate realization is spiritual and has to do with your creativity, that thing in your life that you truly enjoy and wish to do. One should use dreams to compensate their waking experiences, use the intuitive aspect that you possess to sort out those decisions and actions that are all too often influenced by social duty {doing what is required of you instead of what your creative/spiritual Self wishes}.

Dreams are not counterfit, they must be used properly to be of any help. I suggest you take your dreams, see where they fit in your waking life and make adjustments that benefit the creative/spiritual Self and not the ego self of social duty. If you have a 'big' dream, then that dream holds information that you should use as a guide. Only then should you use the dream as a sign. All other dreams are menat to compensate, help you understand the processes in your waking life and the deeper underpinnings that influence that life. I suggest you take time to read my pages on Joseph Campbell. This will give you a better understanding to what Jung was talking about. Campbell is the best primer anyone could ask for in understanding Jungian psychology, and dreams.
Go here to start:
The Heros' Journey

and the read the other pages listed at the top. If you have questions feel free to contact me.
twat twam asi,
Jerry

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hi jerry,many thanks for your response .
if you had just sent me the one word ie discipline! that would have been enough,when i read that word in your interpretation,that was the key that opened the cupboard ,out it tumbled .i was in danger of losing my discipline,if not already doing so ,obviously at a critical point in my journey,when i needed to look at the things that had brought me to this place ,be patient and wait . i got out my various notes on the heroes journey,and recognized where i was .it is a testing time,i saw the fellowship of the ring and how they felt when they lost gandalf in the mines of moria,and luke skywalker when he lost obiwan kenobi ,and even again when the desciples lost jesus,all these heroes lost heart for a while, what could they do , give up or carry on ,, it was then that discipline was needed to carry on the quest,and that the spiritual mentors in each case are not lost at all,but are transformed into something much greater ,that has inspired me deeply and thats what the revelation is.

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